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	<title>Comments on: Sister (and brother) of night: the tragedy of Black Lagoon&#8217;s Hansel and Gretel</title>
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		<title>By: Dark Age</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Age</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it sick when I say I enjoyed the whole arc heartfully and wished those two would survive, thus so even kill Balalaika?
No really, this was a bitter arc from a bitter fate, and I really wished they would somehow get out of it all, but seeing how they behaved until then I knew it is impossible - even more so for them to actually get sane again.
Still, that was really something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it sick when I say I enjoyed the whole arc heartfully and wished those two would survive, thus so even kill Balalaika?<br />
No really, this was a bitter arc from a bitter fate, and I really wished they would somehow get out of it all, but seeing how they behaved until then I knew it is impossible &#8211; even more so for them to actually get sane again.<br />
Still, that was really something.</p>
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		<title>By: gaguri</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaguri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion on Black Lagoon is a litlte mixed. It&#039;s a fun series all right. I found some arcs distateful though, including the vampire twins and the maid. Although there were poignant moments, the kind of ones that skip my heart. My favourite episode has to be 7, simply brilliant. All the more powerful because I didn&#039;t expect that kind of intelligence and emotions. When Rock and Revy shared their cigarette lights, it was sublime. I also loved Balalaika and her past, the alternate paths she could&#039;ve took, the choices she made, and how it transformed her from that sweet little girl to um, you know what she is now -__-. Didn&#039;t really like the last arc though with samurai guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion on Black Lagoon is a litlte mixed. It&#8217;s a fun series all right. I found some arcs distateful though, including the vampire twins and the maid. Although there were poignant moments, the kind of ones that skip my heart. My favourite episode has to be 7, simply brilliant. All the more powerful because I didn&#8217;t expect that kind of intelligence and emotions. When Rock and Revy shared their cigarette lights, it was sublime. I also loved Balalaika and her past, the alternate paths she could&#8217;ve took, the choices she made, and how it transformed her from that sweet little girl to um, you know what she is now -__-. Didn&#8217;t really like the last arc though with samurai guy.</p>
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		<title>By: manga</title>
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		<dc:creator>manga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the scenes with these two were kinda &quot;i wanna puke&quot; kind of scenes. 

But when you got to know their story you feelt sorry for them. But with that kind of history, there is no way that they can adapt to a normal social life. So I do find that the ending is the best possible.

And I do wonder what Rock saw there... which made him run out of the room and start throwing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the scenes with these two were kinda &#8220;i wanna puke&#8221; kind of scenes. </p>
<p>But when you got to know their story you feelt sorry for them. But with that kind of history, there is no way that they can adapt to a normal social life. So I do find that the ending is the best possible.</p>
<p>And I do wonder what Rock saw there&#8230; which made him run out of the room and start throwing up.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neolistic: I&#039;m hoping we see more of the Moscow crowd later on in the season - it&#039;s missing the character study of the main cast that endeared the first season to me. I was under the impression that the gun the twins are using is a vintage Browning semi (according to the ANN trivia page, anyway) but I&#039;m no expert on such things!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neolistic: I&#8217;m hoping we see more of the Moscow crowd later on in the season &#8211; it&#8217;s missing the character study of the main cast that endeared the first season to me. I was under the impression that the gun the twins are using is a vintage Browning semi (according to the ANN trivia page, anyway) but I&#8217;m no expert on such things!</p>
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		<title>By: Neolistic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neolistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is heartrending, isn&#039;t it? Particularly the ED song and animation at the end, &quot;The World of Midnight&quot;.

Hansel and Gretel&#039;s lives, short-lived as it were, are an interesting study. But what really draws out the charm of the series (and the moral ambiguity) is the camaraderie among the Hotel Moscow old guard, the company of Russian deserters that formed the core of the operation. They are not generic mafioso types that grunt and die in various violent ways (we have the Italian mafia in the series for that). They are real humans who went through the hell of Afghan in the 80s, then making their way in the rough and tumble underworld.

P.S. Just to point out a technical error. It is not a semi-automatic rifle that Gretel is toting, but a fully automatic General Purpose Machine Gun (GPMG). I wonder what those twins are eating to lift that monster of a gun and fire from the hip/shoulder. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is heartrending, isn&#8217;t it? Particularly the ED song and animation at the end, &#8220;The World of Midnight&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hansel and Gretel&#8217;s lives, short-lived as it were, are an interesting study. But what really draws out the charm of the series (and the moral ambiguity) is the camaraderie among the Hotel Moscow old guard, the company of Russian deserters that formed the core of the operation. They are not generic mafioso types that grunt and die in various violent ways (we have the Italian mafia in the series for that). They are real humans who went through the hell of Afghan in the 80s, then making their way in the rough and tumble underworld.</p>
<p>P.S. Just to point out a technical error. It is not a semi-automatic rifle that Gretel is toting, but a fully automatic General Purpose Machine Gun (GPMG). I wonder what those twins are eating to lift that monster of a gun and fire from the hip/shoulder. =)</p>
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		<title>By: 0rion</title>
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		<dc:creator>0rion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh Black Lagoon. Coincidentally, I just gone done rewatching that series as part of my post-JLPT binge. This arc was definitely one of the more intriguing ones, I agree. I have to say, though, I was just as interested in the development of Balalaika&#039;s character in this arc and some of the unveiling of her story. I&#039;m surprised you didn&#039;t touch on that at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh Black Lagoon. Coincidentally, I just gone done rewatching that series as part of my post-JLPT binge. This arc was definitely one of the more intriguing ones, I agree. I have to say, though, I was just as interested in the development of Balalaika&#8217;s character in this arc and some of the unveiling of her story. I&#8217;m surprised you didn&#8217;t touch on that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ghostlightning: congrats on getting to the comment box first! Much appreciated. The feeling I got from this arc was hard to describe; the way it tricked viewers into feeling guilty for enjoying mindless violence suggests to me that the series is more clever than it lets on. Glad to see my writing is of some help with your posts too!

@Ian K: so many good points there...yeah, I agree that BL has more going for it than just the (admittedly very good) action - I personally love the moments of character interaction you mention. The realism and the way in which it copies Western action movies and does the job better than most of them is also something it should be commended for. The real-life intances of child soldiers in Africa was also something that shocked me to the core when I first heard about it.

@TheBigN: the way that it all ended on such a bittersweet note was probably the only way it could have ended...and that end theme will haunt me forever, seriously. Like the ending to Gunslinger Girl&#039;s first season did.

@ayase: glad to hear I saved you the trouble! ^_^ In all seriousness though, it is shocking to think that, as improbable and dramatised as stories like this appear to be, the reason why Black Lagoon is so immersive (at least for me) is that for all the over-the-top-ness it is fundamentally realistic.

@Hanners: I really enjoyed your review and can concur that it&#039;s a difficult part of the series to put into words. The series gets a lot of comparisons to Cowboy Bebop but at the same time BL is a lot darker, more brutal and I suppose more cynical too. I&#039;m afraid I can&#039;t think of a series that does the juxtaposition so well either! I guess I could bring up Gunslinger Girl again, if only because it finds the bundle of raw nerves labelled &#039;empathy&#039; and gives them a good tug.

buster_machine: yeah, the psychopathic kids thing has been done before but that just made the end of this arc pack even more of a punch. *makes a mental note to catch up on Shana* I&#039;m completely in favour of a third season of this though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ghostlightning: congrats on getting to the comment box first! Much appreciated. The feeling I got from this arc was hard to describe; the way it tricked viewers into feeling guilty for enjoying mindless violence suggests to me that the series is more clever than it lets on. Glad to see my writing is of some help with your posts too!</p>
<p>@Ian K: so many good points there&#8230;yeah, I agree that BL has more going for it than just the (admittedly very good) action &#8211; I personally love the moments of character interaction you mention. The realism and the way in which it copies Western action movies and does the job better than most of them is also something it should be commended for. The real-life intances of child soldiers in Africa was also something that shocked me to the core when I first heard about it.</p>
<p>@TheBigN: the way that it all ended on such a bittersweet note was probably the only way it could have ended&#8230;and that end theme will haunt me forever, seriously. Like the ending to Gunslinger Girl&#8217;s first season did.</p>
<p>@ayase: glad to hear I saved you the trouble! ^_^ In all seriousness though, it is shocking to think that, as improbable and dramatised as stories like this appear to be, the reason why Black Lagoon is so immersive (at least for me) is that for all the over-the-top-ness it is fundamentally realistic.</p>
<p>@Hanners: I really enjoyed your review and can concur that it&#8217;s a difficult part of the series to put into words. The series gets a lot of comparisons to Cowboy Bebop but at the same time BL is a lot darker, more brutal and I suppose more cynical too. I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t think of a series that does the juxtaposition so well either! I guess I could bring up Gunslinger Girl again, if only because it finds the bundle of raw nerves labelled &#8216;empathy&#8217; and gives them a good tug.</p>
<p>buster_machine: yeah, the psychopathic kids thing has been done before but that just made the end of this arc pack even more of a punch. *makes a mental note to catch up on Shana* I&#8217;m completely in favour of a third season of this though!</p>
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		<title>By: buster_machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>buster_machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the first season of Black Lagoon, but at first I did sigh when I saw the twins - I had just watched Shana, containing another pair of disturbing siblings. But contrary to Shana, Black Lagoon went beyond and ended up with something poignant. Yes, the next arc will be more jovial, and the last long arc affirms the strengths of the series so far (a third season has been approved, I believe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the first season of Black Lagoon, but at first I did sigh when I saw the twins &#8211; I had just watched Shana, containing another pair of disturbing siblings. But contrary to Shana, Black Lagoon went beyond and ended up with something poignant. Yes, the next arc will be more jovial, and the last long arc affirms the strengths of the series so far (a third season has been approved, I believe).</p>
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		<title>By: Hanners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I reviewed the first volume of &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uk-anime.net/anime.asp?intID=390&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Second Barrage&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; on DVD, the phrase &quot;grim and uncomfortable&quot; was about the only way I could pin down the viewing experience for this particular story arc and to be honest, I don&#039;t think those words say anything like enough to do it justice.

I think you&#039;ve pretty much nailed down how well both this arc and &lt;i&gt;Black Lagoon&lt;/i&gt; as a whole works - On the surface, it&#039;s a fantastically presented action series, but once you scratch that surface in some of the darker arcs it reminds you of just how fucked up the world can be in a way that transcends the comic book violence and characters that it often employs.  I can&#039;t really think of any other series that manages that juxtaposition, most shows tend to go for either the larger than life action or the dark, disturbing underbelly, not both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I reviewed the first volume of <i><a href="http://www.uk-anime.net/anime.asp?intID=390" rel="nofollow">Second Barrage</a></i> on DVD, the phrase &#8220;grim and uncomfortable&#8221; was about the only way I could pin down the viewing experience for this particular story arc and to be honest, I don&#8217;t think those words say anything like enough to do it justice.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve pretty much nailed down how well both this arc and <i>Black Lagoon</i> as a whole works &#8211; On the surface, it&#8217;s a fantastically presented action series, but once you scratch that surface in some of the darker arcs it reminds you of just how fucked up the world can be in a way that transcends the comic book violence and characters that it often employs.  I can&#8217;t really think of any other series that manages that juxtaposition, most shows tend to go for either the larger than life action or the dark, disturbing underbelly, not both.</p>
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		<title>By: ayase</title>
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		<dc:creator>ayase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about writing something along very similar lines after watching these episodes... Now I don&#039;t have to!

It did seem to work very as a tragic and well, just bloody sad story really, which is surprising given the overall feel of the show. I would have expected a twist like that to feel awkward and unwelcome, but the fact that I could look past the fact Black Lagoon&#039;s extended cast look like they&#039;re on their way to a costume party and actually be affected by the twins story speaks volumes.

Most disturbing thing of all is that we know that kind of horrific abuse of kids who are supposed to be being cared for goes on not only under tyrannical regimes like that in Romania, but also in our own back yard given the recent inverstegations on Jersey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about writing something along very similar lines after watching these episodes&#8230; Now I don&#8217;t have to!</p>
<p>It did seem to work very as a tragic and well, just bloody sad story really, which is surprising given the overall feel of the show. I would have expected a twist like that to feel awkward and unwelcome, but the fact that I could look past the fact Black Lagoon&#8217;s extended cast look like they&#8217;re on their way to a costume party and actually be affected by the twins story speaks volumes.</p>
<p>Most disturbing thing of all is that we know that kind of horrific abuse of kids who are supposed to be being cared for goes on not only under tyrannical regimes like that in Romania, but also in our own back yard given the recent inverstegations on Jersey.</p>
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