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	<title>Comments on: What I marathoned because I had too much to drink: Fate/Stay night</title>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sorrow-kun: one thing I&#039;m looking forward to in the VN is seeing how the character interactions play out. I know it&#039;s supposedly an eroge but TBH whatever &#039;sauce&#039; happens later is perfectly in context and wouldn&#039;t feel forced at all. Both Rin and Saber saved Shirou&#039;s life at various points so it&#039;s understandable he looks upon them fondly; similarly the fact that he&#039;s a decent and selfless guy makes it understandable that they feel affection for him.

Rin does have emotional indecisiveness, as Shirou does; I agree that saying it makes her more realistic as a woman is a bit sexist, because I see it as a realistic portrayal of a &lt;em&gt;human being&lt;/em&gt;. Rin and Shirou are Masters who must fight but fundamentally they are still people so human emotions will still come into it. Of course, Rin&#039;s tsundere-esque personality traits make her more endearing to me as well... ^_^&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sorrow-kun: one thing I&#8217;m looking forward to in the VN is seeing how the character interactions play out. I know it&#8217;s supposedly an eroge but TBH whatever &#8217;sauce&#8217; happens later is perfectly in context and wouldn&#8217;t feel forced at all. Both Rin and Saber saved Shirou&#8217;s life at various points so it&#8217;s understandable he looks upon them fondly; similarly the fact that he&#8217;s a decent and selfless guy makes it understandable that they feel affection for him.</p>
<p>Rin does have emotional indecisiveness, as Shirou does; I agree that saying it makes her more realistic as a woman is a bit sexist, because I see it as a realistic portrayal of a <em>human being</em>. Rin and Shirou are Masters who must fight but fundamentally they are still people so human emotions will still come into it. Of course, Rin&#8217;s tsundere-esque personality traits make her more endearing to me as well&#8230; ^_^&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Sorrow-kun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorrow-kun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe sobriety (or lack thereof) is the key to watching this.  I&#039;m guessing marathoning it is important as well.  I watched it as it aired, and as it progressed there was just more and more in it that I couldn&#039;t take seriously.  The cake was the mana regen sequence with the giant CG dragon.  I haven&#039;t played the game, but I had a pretty fair idea what was going on in the equivalent scene in the source material.  I just couldn&#039;t take it seriously after that.

Rin is my favourite character too.  I remember some (slightly sexist) comments from a fellow anime fan who I respect, who said that Rin&#039;s emotionally driven indecisiveness, especially with regards to wanting to be Shirou&#039;s enemy or ally, made her realistic as a woman.  This was before the word &quot;tsundere&quot; was in wide use, IIRC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe sobriety (or lack thereof) is the key to watching this.  I&#8217;m guessing marathoning it is important as well.  I watched it as it aired, and as it progressed there was just more and more in it that I couldn&#8217;t take seriously.  The cake was the mana regen sequence with the giant CG dragon.  I haven&#8217;t played the game, but I had a pretty fair idea what was going on in the equivalent scene in the source material.  I just couldn&#8217;t take it seriously after that.</p>
<p>Rin is my favourite character too.  I remember some (slightly sexist) comments from a fellow anime fan who I respect, who said that Rin&#8217;s emotionally driven indecisiveness, especially with regards to wanting to be Shirou&#8217;s enemy or ally, made her realistic as a woman.  This was before the word &#8220;tsundere&#8221; was in wide use, IIRC.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Iknight: it&#039;s a series with a nice mix of action, intrigue and comedy so yeah, a lot of fun to watch in the way that I did. The Arthurian slant was also enjoyable, although I can easily believe how much more there is in the VN that the anime couldn&#039;t include. I&#039;ve just started playing/reading that this weekend actually. Good stuff so far.

@Peter S: while it&#039;s refreshing to see a male lead with guts, Shirou is a bit slow on the uptake in terms of putting his ideals into practice. The manly desire to step up and do the right thing is admirable but when your female comrade is considerably more capable, it&#039;s not very practical. Planetes is one show that I REALLY want to watch all the way through now.

@coburn: yeah, you might not have been sloshed enough! ^_^ It took a while for me to get into the series for the reasons you outline here, but after a couple of discs it got kinda addictive...I have the second disc of Shana to watch in the next couple of weeks and if the first disc and the movie version are anything to go by, I think I&#039;ll enjoy that too.

@gaguri: I haven&#039;t even watched the third Mummy film, although the first was a fun blockbuster type of movie that&#039;s light entertainment. Some stuff is meant to be taken seriously and as such is better viewed on your own so you can quietly think about it, but this series isn&#039;t really one of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Iknight: it&#8217;s a series with a nice mix of action, intrigue and comedy so yeah, a lot of fun to watch in the way that I did. The Arthurian slant was also enjoyable, although I can easily believe how much more there is in the VN that the anime couldn&#8217;t include. I&#8217;ve just started playing/reading that this weekend actually. Good stuff so far.</p>
<p>@Peter S: while it&#8217;s refreshing to see a male lead with guts, Shirou is a bit slow on the uptake in terms of putting his ideals into practice. The manly desire to step up and do the right thing is admirable but when your female comrade is considerably more capable, it&#8217;s not very practical. Planetes is one show that I REALLY want to watch all the way through now.</p>
<p>@coburn: yeah, you might not have been sloshed enough! ^_^ It took a while for me to get into the series for the reasons you outline here, but after a couple of discs it got kinda addictive&#8230;I have the second disc of Shana to watch in the next couple of weeks and if the first disc and the movie version are anything to go by, I think I&#8217;ll enjoy that too.</p>
<p>@gaguri: I haven&#8217;t even watched the third Mummy film, although the first was a fun blockbuster type of movie that&#8217;s light entertainment. Some stuff is meant to be taken seriously and as such is better viewed on your own so you can quietly think about it, but this series isn&#8217;t really one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: gaguri</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaguri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t plan to watch F/S anytime soon, but it&#039;s interesting how some entertainments are better enjoyed in a lighter, communal atmosphere. Weeks ago I watched the movie &quot;Mummy 3&quot; with my friends, HORRIBLE movie, but incredibly fun. I think it had to do with laughing at how bad it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t plan to watch F/S anytime soon, but it&#8217;s interesting how some entertainments are better enjoyed in a lighter, communal atmosphere. Weeks ago I watched the movie &#8220;Mummy 3&#8243; with my friends, HORRIBLE movie, but incredibly fun. I think it had to do with laughing at how bad it was.</p>
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		<title>By: coburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>coburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried watching this not that long ago and got half way through episode 7 before quitting. Too sober? There really wasn&#039;t anything about the cast (Saber aside) to get me interested, the direction felt leaden, and the action scenes didn&#039;t excite me at all. The only thing that got on my nerves more than Shirou was the way the entire cast seemed to collaborate in not punishing the nitwit. &quot;Next time we meet, I shall kill you&quot; and so forth.

Having just started Shana, I&#039;m also finding it fairly similar - but far more enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried watching this not that long ago and got half way through episode 7 before quitting. Too sober? There really wasn&#8217;t anything about the cast (Saber aside) to get me interested, the direction felt leaden, and the action scenes didn&#8217;t excite me at all. The only thing that got on my nerves more than Shirou was the way the entire cast seemed to collaborate in not punishing the nitwit. &#8220;Next time we meet, I shall kill you&#8221; and so forth.</p>
<p>Having just started Shana, I&#8217;m also finding it fairly similar &#8211; but far more enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been awhile since I saw F/SN (when it first aired, actually).  I always thought Shirou was ballsy, and honorable.  I also thought he was thickheaded.  His desire to keep Saber safe or not use command spells at his own expense made me slap my head more than once.  I wanted to cheer when Shirou, kicked out of the high school window and plunging to a certain death ... FINALLY decided it might be a good time to summon her.

Planetes is one of my favorite anime and well worth the time.  I actually feel that the first disc is the weakest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been awhile since I saw F/SN (when it first aired, actually).  I always thought Shirou was ballsy, and honorable.  I also thought he was thickheaded.  His desire to keep Saber safe or not use command spells at his own expense made me slap my head more than once.  I wanted to cheer when Shirou, kicked out of the high school window and plunging to a certain death &#8230; FINALLY decided it might be a good time to summon her.</p>
<p>Planetes is one of my favorite anime and well worth the time.  I actually feel that the first disc is the weakest!</p>
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		<title>By: IKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>IKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;ve played the game, I&#039;ve only seen half of the anime. But from what I have seen, I can imagine it being a good watch with a mate and some alcohol.

*SPOILERS*

I had the accidental pleasure of playing the game while taking a course in Arthuriana and, once we make allowances for &lt;em&gt;F/sn&lt;/em&gt; being a visual novel, made in Japan, its interaction with Arthurian stories is quite interesting. To simplify brutally, there are two medieval traditions of Arthurian texts: the earlier, &#039;chronicle&#039; tradition tends to focus on Arthur as a martial hero, and a hero who fights on foot, while the later, &#039;romance&#039; tradition focuses more on Arthur&#039;s knights as its heroes - they tend to face romantic and chivalrous challenges which are less about fighting, and when they do fight they tend to fight (starting) on horseback. The Grail and the Lancelot-Guinevere-Arthur love triangle belong to the romance tradition. (For the cleverer medieval writers, and for writers after the medieval period, the lines blur again: Malory&#039;s Arthur is a blend of the two.)

Apart from the presence of the Holy Grail, &lt;em&gt;F/sn&lt;/em&gt; seems (by accident or by design - probably the former) to be more in the chronicle line: Saber, not any of her knights, is the central figure, she fights on foot, and what we see of her past is dominated by battles. Part of the story is her growth out of that entirely martial mindset into what we might, perhaps, call a romance.

*END SPOILERS*

My probably unwanted digression on a pet subject aside, it&#039;ll be interesting to read what you think of the game. If nothing else, I think it fills in a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; of the gaps in the anime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;ve played the game, I&#8217;ve only seen half of the anime. But from what I have seen, I can imagine it being a good watch with a mate and some alcohol.</p>
<p>*SPOILERS*</p>
<p>I had the accidental pleasure of playing the game while taking a course in Arthuriana and, once we make allowances for <em>F/sn</em> being a visual novel, made in Japan, its interaction with Arthurian stories is quite interesting. To simplify brutally, there are two medieval traditions of Arthurian texts: the earlier, &#8216;chronicle&#8217; tradition tends to focus on Arthur as a martial hero, and a hero who fights on foot, while the later, &#8216;romance&#8217; tradition focuses more on Arthur&#8217;s knights as its heroes &#8211; they tend to face romantic and chivalrous challenges which are less about fighting, and when they do fight they tend to fight (starting) on horseback. The Grail and the Lancelot-Guinevere-Arthur love triangle belong to the romance tradition. (For the cleverer medieval writers, and for writers after the medieval period, the lines blur again: Malory&#8217;s Arthur is a blend of the two.)</p>
<p>Apart from the presence of the Holy Grail, <em>F/sn</em> seems (by accident or by design &#8211; probably the former) to be more in the chronicle line: Saber, not any of her knights, is the central figure, she fights on foot, and what we see of her past is dominated by battles. Part of the story is her growth out of that entirely martial mindset into what we might, perhaps, call a romance.</p>
<p>*END SPOILERS*</p>
<p>My probably unwanted digression on a pet subject aside, it&#8217;ll be interesting to read what you think of the game. If nothing else, I think it fills in a <em>lot</em> of the gaps in the anime.</p>
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