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	<title>Comments on: White Album first impressions: the little things that go unsaid</title>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eternal: I don&#039;t want to sound like a doom-mongerer but what little (spoiler-free) I&#039;ve read about what follows Touya continues to be a bit of an idiot, which is not something I was hoping would happen. It certainly has the potential to match true tears but as far as I&#039;m concerned the jury&#039;s still out. I have the rest of the episodes as far as #7 on my HD so will see for myself later this week. Watch this space!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eternal: I don&#8217;t want to sound like a doom-mongerer but what little (spoiler-free) I&#8217;ve read about what follows Touya continues to be a bit of an idiot, which is not something I was hoping would happen. It certainly has the potential to match true tears but as far as I&#8217;m concerned the jury&#8217;s still out. I have the rest of the episodes as far as #7 on my HD so will see for myself later this week. Watch this space!</p>
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		<title>By: ETERNAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ETERNAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you just summed up everything that I was thinking about the series, right down to the minimalist approach that encourages the viewer to pay attention to subtleties rather than aesthetics. If all goes well, this just might turn into the True Tears of 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you just summed up everything that I was thinking about the series, right down to the minimalist approach that encourages the viewer to pay attention to subtleties rather than aesthetics. If all goes well, this just might turn into the True Tears of 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter S: the direction is excellent but I&#039;ve only got as far as #3 so far; if Touya turns into a selfish ass or makes stupid decisions, I can see myself losing interest. Makes me wonder what the visual novel&#039;s like...

@Sorrow-kun: good points. You&#039;ve basically summed up my thoughts of a worst-case scenario. If the characters turn dull and unlikable, all the effort that&#039;s gone into the art and direction will all be for naught. Myself;Yourself grated on me after only one episode, but in both seasons of ef it took a while for me to warm to the characters; from that point on it was fine but it was frustrating initially.

@Hanners: if Touya turns out to be a decent lad with awkward decisions to make like Shinichirou was, we&#039;re safe and sound. Alternatively (it&#039;s too early for me to say one way or the other, honestly) he could be a complete scumbag, and all sympathy (and in turn my interest in the show as a whole) will be gone. Rina is certainly an interesting character though - I didn&#039;t know why she was so popular with the viewers, but I must confess trying to figure out her motives is entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter S: the direction is excellent but I&#8217;ve only got as far as #3 so far; if Touya turns into a selfish ass or makes stupid decisions, I can see myself losing interest. Makes me wonder what the visual novel&#8217;s like&#8230;</p>
<p>@Sorrow-kun: good points. You&#8217;ve basically summed up my thoughts of a worst-case scenario. If the characters turn dull and unlikable, all the effort that&#8217;s gone into the art and direction will all be for naught. Myself;Yourself grated on me after only one episode, but in both seasons of ef it took a while for me to warm to the characters; from that point on it was fine but it was frustrating initially.</p>
<p>@Hanners: if Touya turns out to be a decent lad with awkward decisions to make like Shinichirou was, we&#8217;re safe and sound. Alternatively (it&#8217;s too early for me to say one way or the other, honestly) he could be a complete scumbag, and all sympathy (and in turn my interest in the show as a whole) will be gone. Rina is certainly an interesting character though &#8211; I didn&#8217;t know why she was so popular with the viewers, but I must confess trying to figure out her motives is entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touya is a hugely frustrating character in both his indecisiveness and those white lies you mentioned, but then again the male lead in any kind of series basically *needs* to be like that for the story to go anywhere - If he was decisive and honest, there wouldn&#039;t be much of a story to tell or any chance of the other female characters stealing him away from Yuki.  It&#039;s the kind of thing that always leaves me conflicted when it comes to shows like this, and it&#039;s another reason why True Tears did what it did so well for me, as it somehow prevented Shinichiro from ever being anything but a reasonably nice guy.

Despite that, I have found myself liking this series - The retro feel has been put to good use when it comes to communication between characters, and personally I&#039;ve loved the use of text to convey Touya&#039;s inner thoughts.  Yes, Yuki isn&#039;t a particularly strong character, but again that&#039;s kind of the point I think.

To be honest, it&#039;s Rina that makes the series for me at the moment, both on the scale of cuteness and in terms of what her real motives are - Perhaps I&#039;m just not trusting enough, but my money is still on her coming between Touya and Yuki at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touya is a hugely frustrating character in both his indecisiveness and those white lies you mentioned, but then again the male lead in any kind of series basically *needs* to be like that for the story to go anywhere &#8211; If he was decisive and honest, there wouldn&#8217;t be much of a story to tell or any chance of the other female characters stealing him away from Yuki.  It&#8217;s the kind of thing that always leaves me conflicted when it comes to shows like this, and it&#8217;s another reason why True Tears did what it did so well for me, as it somehow prevented Shinichiro from ever being anything but a reasonably nice guy.</p>
<p>Despite that, I have found myself liking this series &#8211; The retro feel has been put to good use when it comes to communication between characters, and personally I&#8217;ve loved the use of text to convey Touya&#8217;s inner thoughts.  Yes, Yuki isn&#8217;t a particularly strong character, but again that&#8217;s kind of the point I think.</p>
<p>To be honest, it&#8217;s Rina that makes the series for me at the moment, both on the scale of cuteness and in terms of what her real motives are &#8211; Perhaps I&#8217;m just not trusting enough, but my money is still on her coming between Touya and Yuki at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorrow-kun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorrow-kun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I&#039;ve written so much about this anime in comments and forum posts that I should take a watered down summary of it all and process it into a generic response that I pull out for posts like these. :p  Yes, yes, I know, that&#039;d be cheap.

I guess I just can&#039;t share your optimism.  I&#039;ve been doing a lot of thinking about White Album&#039;s subdued approach to storytelling, and I can&#039;t seem to escape the suspicion that it&#039;s a gimmick, a cheap way to separate it from other titles in the anime soap opera genre like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien and Myself; Yourself.  All the signs are pointing to a melodramatic climax, with lots of broken hearts and characters acting like jerks and crumbling relationships, etc, etc, you know, the trainwreck, which just isn&#039;t my cup of tea, since it almost always strikes me as cheap drama.  If the result is cheap drama, then I can&#039;t really see why this approach to storytelling is justified, since the reward at the end is the same, whether they were subdued and subtle, or whether they spelt out everything.  So far, they&#039;ve been very implicit with everything, and the story has almost been driven by details that you have to unravel, which means it&#039;s asking for quite an effort from the audience.  I don&#039;t mind putting in effort and paying attention to the little details to try to understand the underlying meaning of things when I watch anime, provided I feel rewarded for doing so, but the details haven&#039;t really said anything that&#039;s made the characters seem more multifaceted or sympathetic.  Like you say, the whole thing hinges on how much you like the characters and so far I&#039;ve found the two leads, Touya and Yuki, really flat and the side characters only marginally better.  I don&#039;t need to be spoon fed, but I would like some reasons to sympathize with these characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I&#8217;ve written so much about this anime in comments and forum posts that I should take a watered down summary of it all and process it into a generic response that I pull out for posts like these. :p  Yes, yes, I know, that&#8217;d be cheap.</p>
<p>I guess I just can&#8217;t share your optimism.  I&#8217;ve been doing a lot of thinking about White Album&#8217;s subdued approach to storytelling, and I can&#8217;t seem to escape the suspicion that it&#8217;s a gimmick, a cheap way to separate it from other titles in the anime soap opera genre like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien and Myself; Yourself.  All the signs are pointing to a melodramatic climax, with lots of broken hearts and characters acting like jerks and crumbling relationships, etc, etc, you know, the trainwreck, which just isn&#8217;t my cup of tea, since it almost always strikes me as cheap drama.  If the result is cheap drama, then I can&#8217;t really see why this approach to storytelling is justified, since the reward at the end is the same, whether they were subdued and subtle, or whether they spelt out everything.  So far, they&#8217;ve been very implicit with everything, and the story has almost been driven by details that you have to unravel, which means it&#8217;s asking for quite an effort from the audience.  I don&#8217;t mind putting in effort and paying attention to the little details to try to understand the underlying meaning of things when I watch anime, provided I feel rewarded for doing so, but the details haven&#8217;t really said anything that&#8217;s made the characters seem more multifaceted or sympathetic.  Like you say, the whole thing hinges on how much you like the characters and so far I&#8217;ve found the two leads, Touya and Yuki, really flat and the side characters only marginally better.  I don&#8217;t need to be spoon fed, but I would like some reasons to sympathize with these characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 05:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s about right: I get a sense that there&#039;s a steady hand on the rudder of this production.  The storytelling is sophisticated and telling us things in interesting ways.  Ep4 has moments that somehow remind me of the quieter eps of Kuranai, of people just wandering around doing things their own way (or falling into digressions about Chesterton).  I like all of that very much and want to enjoy it, but it&#039;s hard for me to care about Touya, and I&#039;m not sure I want to spend however many more episodes watching him screw things up.  And the girl is such a helpless innocent that I find it hard to care for her, too.  They better show some potential for maturing, or turn it into a comedy of errors, or I&#039;ll drop it, well-produced or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s about right: I get a sense that there&#8217;s a steady hand on the rudder of this production.  The storytelling is sophisticated and telling us things in interesting ways.  Ep4 has moments that somehow remind me of the quieter eps of Kuranai, of people just wandering around doing things their own way (or falling into digressions about Chesterton).  I like all of that very much and want to enjoy it, but it&#8217;s hard for me to care about Touya, and I&#8217;m not sure I want to spend however many more episodes watching him screw things up.  And the girl is such a helpless innocent that I find it hard to care for her, too.  They better show some potential for maturing, or turn it into a comedy of errors, or I&#8217;ll drop it, well-produced or not.</p>
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