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	<title>Comments on: Are KyoAni trying to make another Escaflowne out of Munto?</title>
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		<title>By: moritheil</title>
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		<dc:creator>moritheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very detailed review! I think that everything you&#039;ve listed story-wise points at one thing: it&#039;s aimed at a younger audience.  Kids without knowledge of the realities of marriage can think that getting married via a ritual like swimming across the river is a neat thing.  Kids who haven&#039;t seen 32479823 fighting anime can think that all those flying balls of light are cool instead of overdone.  Kids without experience can mistake obscurity for plot complexity (and have the patience to sit around waiting for an explanation.)

This, of course, clashes horribly with the 1:45 air time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very detailed review! I think that everything you&#8217;ve listed story-wise points at one thing: it&#8217;s aimed at a younger audience.  Kids without knowledge of the realities of marriage can think that getting married via a ritual like swimming across the river is a neat thing.  Kids who haven&#8217;t seen 32479823 fighting anime can think that all those flying balls of light are cool instead of overdone.  Kids without experience can mistake obscurity for plot complexity (and have the patience to sit around waiting for an explanation.)</p>
<p>This, of course, clashes horribly with the 1:45 air time.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@otou-san: the pacing is a good thing in this case - I&#039;d hate to see it drag things out. Unfortunately it&#039;s the lack of context for certain things that&#039;s a problem at the moment.

@Michael: I only noticed the origins of the OAV after a bit of background reading (since I know precisely nothing about it before watching the TV show). I&#039;m still unconvinced by the series, but according to the next episode preview Interesting Things will start happening from #6 onwards. It&#039;s still verging on droppage but I&#039;m willing to give it another chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@otou-san: the pacing is a good thing in this case &#8211; I&#8217;d hate to see it drag things out. Unfortunately it&#8217;s the lack of context for certain things that&#8217;s a problem at the moment.</p>
<p>@Michael: I only noticed the origins of the OAV after a bit of background reading (since I know precisely nothing about it before watching the TV show). I&#8217;m still unconvinced by the series, but according to the next episode preview Interesting Things will start happening from #6 onwards. It&#8217;s still verging on droppage but I&#8217;m willing to give it another chance!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael &#124; Low on Hit Points</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael &#124; Low on Hit Points</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing, but I never put two-and-two together with the Munto OVA.  I never knew it was Kyo-Ani&#039;s first work.  Thinking about it as a sort of &quot;technical&quot; presentation to show off their abilities to prospective clients makes a lot of sense now.

And as jaded and cynical as I&#039;ve gotten lately, I still thought Suzume crossing the river with her boyfriend was quite heart warming.  Maybe even quaint?  It&#039;s not like they met drunk at a party and declared that they were in &quot;love.&quot;  So, they&#039;re already better off than most fools I know.  Plus I give them points for originality, if anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing, but I never put two-and-two together with the Munto OVA.  I never knew it was Kyo-Ani&#8217;s first work.  Thinking about it as a sort of &#8220;technical&#8221; presentation to show off their abilities to prospective clients makes a lot of sense now.</p>
<p>And as jaded and cynical as I&#8217;ve gotten lately, I still thought Suzume crossing the river with her boyfriend was quite heart warming.  Maybe even quaint?  It&#8217;s not like they met drunk at a party and declared that they were in &#8220;love.&#8221;  So, they&#8217;re already better off than most fools I know.  Plus I give them points for originality, if anything.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I can’t help but think that these 5 episodes could have been stretched out to 13 episodes and it would be a much better show; it feels like we’re getting a greatly condensed version of the story.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I normally don&#039;t call that a deadly sin of anime. There are much much worse things you could say about a series. Like the opposite: long and drawn-out but with little plot and nothing to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I can’t help but think that these 5 episodes could have been stretched out to 13 episodes and it would be a much better show; it feels like we’re getting a greatly condensed version of the story.</p></blockquote>
<p>I normally don&#8217;t call that a deadly sin of anime. There are much much worse things you could say about a series. Like the opposite: long and drawn-out but with little plot and nothing to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@otou-san: I&#039;m still undecided on this show, honestly. Is it substandard, or merely not aimed at viewers like me? If nothing else though, it makes for prettier screencaps than most things I&#039;m watching right now!

@Sorrow-kun: I&#039;m starting to get the feeling that this was KyoAni&#039;s demonstration of their technical ability as opposed to an epic yarn - that would certainly explain why I&#039;m impressed with the visuals but like you unsure if I actually care about what&#039;s going on. Since they&#039;re revisiting it and continuing it in TV format though I&#039;m cautiously optimistic that when the OAVs were planned there was a longer plotline devised and shelved for later use, which could be what we&#039;re seeing here. I hope that&#039;s the case, anyway.

@zzeroparticle: don&#039;t worry about not &#039;getting&#039; it - I had to look up the show on the AnimeSuki forum, and it wasn&#039;t until reading the Munto thread that I came across any explanation for the significance of the river crossing segment! With any luck episode #5 will show more convincing drama in the human world and go easy on the supernatural battles, or at least put them into some sort of context. If that doesn&#039;t happen I can see myself dropping it.

@steelbound: As far as I remember the first half of Escaflowne was excellent and taking the mediocre video transfer of the UK discs into account I don&#039;t think it&#039;s aged badly at all (Yoko Kanno soundtrack too!). What Escaflowne has over Munto however is the convincing nature of the politics - iirc Hitomi is in the middle of a huge conflict that draws you in. Munto isn&#039;t so much a knock-off as something that might be aspiring to something of such epic scope, but it doesn&#039;t have such a solid plot behind it. Point taken with Toradora! though - that series is as great as it is through the execution of what we&#039;ve all seen so many times before...and yet it&#039;s so full of warmth and humour. I&#039;ll be blogging about it soon! ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@otou-san: I&#8217;m still undecided on this show, honestly. Is it substandard, or merely not aimed at viewers like me? If nothing else though, it makes for prettier screencaps than most things I&#8217;m watching right now!</p>
<p>@Sorrow-kun: I&#8217;m starting to get the feeling that this was KyoAni&#8217;s demonstration of their technical ability as opposed to an epic yarn &#8211; that would certainly explain why I&#8217;m impressed with the visuals but like you unsure if I actually care about what&#8217;s going on. Since they&#8217;re revisiting it and continuing it in TV format though I&#8217;m cautiously optimistic that when the OAVs were planned there was a longer plotline devised and shelved for later use, which could be what we&#8217;re seeing here. I hope that&#8217;s the case, anyway.</p>
<p>@zzeroparticle: don&#8217;t worry about not &#8216;getting&#8217; it &#8211; I had to look up the show on the AnimeSuki forum, and it wasn&#8217;t until reading the Munto thread that I came across any explanation for the significance of the river crossing segment! With any luck episode #5 will show more convincing drama in the human world and go easy on the supernatural battles, or at least put them into some sort of context. If that doesn&#8217;t happen I can see myself dropping it.</p>
<p>@steelbound: As far as I remember the first half of Escaflowne was excellent and taking the mediocre video transfer of the UK discs into account I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s aged badly at all (Yoko Kanno soundtrack too!). What Escaflowne has over Munto however is the convincing nature of the politics &#8211; iirc Hitomi is in the middle of a huge conflict that draws you in. Munto isn&#8217;t so much a knock-off as something that might be aspiring to something of such epic scope, but it doesn&#8217;t have such a solid plot behind it. Point taken with Toradora! though &#8211; that series is as great as it is through the execution of what we&#8217;ve all seen so many times before&#8230;and yet it&#8217;s so full of warmth and humour. I&#8217;ll be blogging about it soon! ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: steelbound</title>
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		<dc:creator>steelbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve watched 5 episodes so far. The show leaves me feeling good but I can&#039;t help but think that these 5 episodes could have been stretched out to 13 episodes and it would be a much better show; it feels like we&#039;re getting a greatly condensed version of the story.

I&#039;ve noticed other people that want to justify their hate for the show compare it to Escaflowne and say it&#039;s just a knockoff. I haven&#039;t seen Escaflowne but when I checked I saw the original anime is 13 years old. If the last show this can be compared to is 13 years old, it should be a compliment. Even an awesome show like Toradora is of a show type that we several times a year and Toradora&#039;s claim to fame is just being one of the most polished and well-executed attempts to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve watched 5 episodes so far. The show leaves me feeling good but I can&#8217;t help but think that these 5 episodes could have been stretched out to 13 episodes and it would be a much better show; it feels like we&#8217;re getting a greatly condensed version of the story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed other people that want to justify their hate for the show compare it to Escaflowne and say it&#8217;s just a knockoff. I haven&#8217;t seen Escaflowne but when I checked I saw the original anime is 13 years old. If the last show this can be compared to is 13 years old, it should be a compliment. Even an awesome show like Toradora is of a show type that we several times a year and Toradora&#8217;s claim to fame is just being one of the most polished and well-executed attempts to date.</p>
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		<title>By: zzeroparticle</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzeroparticle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the depth is what&#039;s bothering me the most about this series.  The river crossing lacked any sort of coherent meaning that I could grasp out of it and felt almost whimsical while the battle in the &quot;other world&quot; is a head-scratcher because there&#039;s no political ideology that separates the two sides and the lack of a motive behind the conflict (or rather, the lack of an explanation behind the struggle) is really grating on my nerves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the depth is what&#8217;s bothering me the most about this series.  The river crossing lacked any sort of coherent meaning that I could grasp out of it and felt almost whimsical while the battle in the &#8220;other world&#8221; is a head-scratcher because there&#8217;s no political ideology that separates the two sides and the lack of a motive behind the conflict (or rather, the lack of an explanation behind the struggle) is really grating on my nerves.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorrow-kun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorrow-kun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always saw Munto as more an exercise in style rather than substance, which is why I think there&#039;s not much emphasis on keeping the plot as tight as something like Escaflowne.  The plot in Munto is a bit all over the place, the different countries and political forces have so little depth that right now they&#039;re almost indistinguishable (either that, or I&#039;m not caring enough to go to the effort to try to distinguish them from the other).  If you look at the OVAs themselves from the point of view of something that was showcasing an animation style that was cutting edge for when they first came out, it&#039;s a lot easier to appreciate them, but rewatching them in TV format now just re-emphasizes that the plot was nothing special (and a touch ridiculous in the case of the river crossing) and the animation style is six years too late to make an impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always saw Munto as more an exercise in style rather than substance, which is why I think there&#8217;s not much emphasis on keeping the plot as tight as something like Escaflowne.  The plot in Munto is a bit all over the place, the different countries and political forces have so little depth that right now they&#8217;re almost indistinguishable (either that, or I&#8217;m not caring enough to go to the effort to try to distinguish them from the other).  If you look at the OVAs themselves from the point of view of something that was showcasing an animation style that was cutting edge for when they first came out, it&#8217;s a lot easier to appreciate them, but rewatching them in TV format now just re-emphasizes that the plot was nothing special (and a touch ridiculous in the case of the river crossing) and the animation style is six years too late to make an impact.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been on the fence about whether to devote any of my limited viewing time to this. Kyoto Animation seem very into stories that I think smell of &quot;kids&#039; stuff&quot; but I&#039;ve been lynched for saying that before, so no more on that from me... 

That said, this doesn&#039;t exactly read as a ringing endorsement. But a &quot;misstep&quot; (to use your word on twitter) from Kyoto could be a better watch than a resounding success from others, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on the fence about whether to devote any of my limited viewing time to this. Kyoto Animation seem very into stories that I think smell of &#8220;kids&#8217; stuff&#8221; but I&#8217;ve been lynched for saying that before, so no more on that from me&#8230; </p>
<p>That said, this doesn&#8217;t exactly read as a ringing endorsement. But a &#8220;misstep&#8221; (to use your word on twitter) from Kyoto could be a better watch than a resounding success from others, no?</p>
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