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	<title>Comments on: Tsukihime, Near Side route (Arcueid and Ciel)</title>
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		<title>By: Jern</title>
		<link>http://mononoaware.concretebadger.net/2009/04/28/tsukihime-near-side-route-arcueid-and-ciel/comment-page-1/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Jern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A final point that wraps things up nicely if you’re a Nasuverse fanboy as I am is how it ties in with F/S N’s terminology in terms of magic circuits, mages and so on. The two stories are not directly related plot- or character-wise but the recurrence of the jargon, not to mention familiarity in character types and themes addressed, makes it easier to get into, whichever NV you happen to play first.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, Tsukihime and F/S N are related via certain characters. For example: Zelretch was the founder of Rin&#039;s school of magic as well as the mage who killed Arcueid&#039;s ancestor. Also, Touko (Aoko&#039;s sister) was the mage who created a &quot;puppet body&quot; for Shirou after his original one was destroyed at the end of the Heaven&#039;s Feel route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A final point that wraps things up nicely if you’re a Nasuverse fanboy as I am is how it ties in with F/S N’s terminology in terms of magic circuits, mages and so on. The two stories are not directly related plot- or character-wise but the recurrence of the jargon, not to mention familiarity in character types and themes addressed, makes it easier to get into, whichever NV you happen to play first.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, Tsukihime and F/S N are related via certain characters. For example: Zelretch was the founder of Rin&#8217;s school of magic as well as the mage who killed Arcueid&#8217;s ancestor. Also, Touko (Aoko&#8217;s sister) was the mage who created a &#8220;puppet body&#8221; for Shirou after his original one was destroyed at the end of the Heaven&#8217;s Feel route.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://mononoaware.concretebadger.net/2009/04/28/tsukihime-near-side-route-arcueid-and-ciel/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Veldril, Narkins &amp; Reader: duly noted and on my &#039;to do&#039; list. I&#039;m currently on holiday for a couple of weeks but I&#039;ll redo this post when I get back (along with a post on the Far Side routes too, probably). I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m STILL too jet-lagged and preoccupied to sort it out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Veldril, Narkins &#038; Reader: duly noted and on my &#8216;to do&#8217; list. I&#8217;m currently on holiday for a couple of weeks but I&#8217;ll redo this post when I get back (along with a post on the Far Side routes too, probably). I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m STILL too jet-lagged and preoccupied to sort it out!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
		<link>http://mononoaware.concretebadger.net/2009/04/28/tsukihime-near-side-route-arcueid-and-ciel/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice overview of the Near Side routes - this VN is possibly my favorite storyline of all time. It&#039;s fascinating how each route adds something else to the overall storyline (like pieces of a puzzle), so that you don&#039;t really have the full perspective of the backstory&#039;s events until you finish it.

So much of the story is revealed through character interaction rather than description, it really adds a genuine first-person POV to a rather poetic style of writing, which worked for it quite well (I found the scene with Roa&#039;s death in the Ciel Good Ending oddly profound, for example).

I must agree, though, that the Roa -&gt; Nrvnsqr mixup was rather jarring here. They are two completely different characters in two completely different segments of the story with two completely different motivations/backstories...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice overview of the Near Side routes &#8211; this VN is possibly my favorite storyline of all time. It&#8217;s fascinating how each route adds something else to the overall storyline (like pieces of a puzzle), so that you don&#8217;t really have the full perspective of the backstory&#8217;s events until you finish it.</p>
<p>So much of the story is revealed through character interaction rather than description, it really adds a genuine first-person POV to a rather poetic style of writing, which worked for it quite well (I found the scene with Roa&#8217;s death in the Ciel Good Ending oddly profound, for example).</p>
<p>I must agree, though, that the Roa -&gt; Nrvnsqr mixup was rather jarring here. They are two completely different characters in two completely different segments of the story with two completely different motivations/backstories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: narkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>narkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 01:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly I&#039;d like to point out if it hadn&#039;t been for you reviews of Fate/stay night I probably would never had played that game and therefore would never had played Tsukihime. Your reviews introduced me to type moon&#039;s &#039;mythology&#039; as I see it as in my eyes its creation of a world rivals that of JRR Tolkin, though with slightly less world, and more characterisation  . 

To be honest when I first read this I was rathr shocked that you had made such a mistake, however without your writing I would have missed out on a awful lot of genius over the last couple of years. I took anime up again in my second year of college without many friends who were interested in it. 

Without friends to relate my &#039;hobby&#039; to I ended up looking to the internet to find series that were worth watching and ended up finding your blog as well as others to feed my habit. Since then I&#039;ve had friends who&#039;ve put forwards series to me but your and others work was always a helpful push in the right direction. 

Heck with out your blog I wouldn&#039;t have ever watched eureka seven or Saikano which i both enjoyed. Thanks for your hard work and keep it up :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly I&#8217;d like to point out if it hadn&#8217;t been for you reviews of Fate/stay night I probably would never had played that game and therefore would never had played Tsukihime. Your reviews introduced me to type moon&#8217;s &#8216;mythology&#8217; as I see it as in my eyes its creation of a world rivals that of JRR Tolkin, though with slightly less world, and more characterisation  . </p>
<p>To be honest when I first read this I was rathr shocked that you had made such a mistake, however without your writing I would have missed out on a awful lot of genius over the last couple of years. I took anime up again in my second year of college without many friends who were interested in it. </p>
<p>Without friends to relate my &#8216;hobby&#8217; to I ended up looking to the internet to find series that were worth watching and ended up finding your blog as well as others to feed my habit. Since then I&#8217;ve had friends who&#8217;ve put forwards series to me but your and others work was always a helpful push in the right direction. </p>
<p>Heck with out your blog I wouldn&#8217;t have ever watched eureka seven or Saikano which i both enjoyed. Thanks for your hard work and keep it up :D</p>
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		<title>By: Veldril</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veldril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Nrvnsqr and Roa are so different.

First of all, Nrvnsqr goals are so different than Roa. In game, Nrvnsqr doesn&#039;t care much about immortality, he just wants to knows what would happen to him in the end of being chaos. Roa on the other hand obsesses with immortality (or later explain, Arcueid) so much that he choose to reincarnate endlessly. Also, Nrvnsqr accepts death in the end (as he said with calm posture &quot;so you&#039;re my death&quot; to Shiki) but Roa is so afraid of death that he doesn&#039;t realize he is.

Secondly, their abilities are also different. Nrvnsqr posses power to consume flest and blood to create chaos within his body. His true power lies in Reality Marble, The Beast Lair (which is later used to name the English language fanboard by Evospace). He can&#039;t reincarnate in anyway. Roa on the other hand has power to reincarnate into others. He also posses some magical talent and abilities but not much (far less than the original Roa).

Finally, Arcueid&#039;s never met with Nrvnsqr before the event in Tsukihime. She only knows his name but does not even know his power.

I&#039;ve read your writing and it&#039;s good analysis until you mistake Roa with Nrvnsqr. I think you should change it because of characters differences. It would be nice if someone waltz in and read a good analysis with correct data.

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Nrvnsqr and Roa are so different.</p>
<p>First of all, Nrvnsqr goals are so different than Roa. In game, Nrvnsqr doesn&#8217;t care much about immortality, he just wants to knows what would happen to him in the end of being chaos. Roa on the other hand obsesses with immortality (or later explain, Arcueid) so much that he choose to reincarnate endlessly. Also, Nrvnsqr accepts death in the end (as he said with calm posture &#8220;so you&#8217;re my death&#8221; to Shiki) but Roa is so afraid of death that he doesn&#8217;t realize he is.</p>
<p>Secondly, their abilities are also different. Nrvnsqr posses power to consume flest and blood to create chaos within his body. His true power lies in Reality Marble, The Beast Lair (which is later used to name the English language fanboard by Evospace). He can&#8217;t reincarnate in anyway. Roa on the other hand has power to reincarnate into others. He also posses some magical talent and abilities but not much (far less than the original Roa).</p>
<p>Finally, Arcueid&#8217;s never met with Nrvnsqr before the event in Tsukihime. She only knows his name but does not even know his power.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read your writing and it&#8217;s good analysis until you mistake Roa with Nrvnsqr. I think you should change it because of characters differences. It would be nice if someone waltz in and read a good analysis with correct data.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GARbej: No. I could change it but since your comment ignores over 1000 words and several hours of writing to nitpick over a trifling detail I don&#039;t see why I should bother. You know what I was trying to say but decided to say &quot;hur, hur, you&#039;re wrong LOL&quot; anyway. Sorry if I sound harsh, but that sort of jibe rubs me up the wrong way. kthnx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GARbej: No. I could change it but since your comment ignores over 1000 words and several hours of writing to nitpick over a trifling detail I don&#8217;t see why I should bother. You know what I was trying to say but decided to say &#8220;hur, hur, you&#8217;re wrong LOL&#8221; anyway. Sorry if I sound harsh, but that sort of jibe rubs me up the wrong way. kthnx.</p>
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		<title>By: GARbej</title>
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		<dc:creator>GARbej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you mean Roa instead of Nrvnsqr?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you mean Roa instead of Nrvnsqr?</p>
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