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	<title>Comments on: Eve no Jikan (Time of Eve) Act 5: Chie &amp; Shimei</title>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conspiratal thing has been getting quite noticeable for me in the last couple of episodes, but who knows where Yoshiura and his team will take it. My guess is through another series of episodes after the next one (which was initially supposed to be the last one, but they&#039;ve raised so many interesting issues I think they&#039;re happy to continue).

The matter of digital and analogue music is an interesting one: there are things that digital technology outstrips what musicians and instruments were previously able to do but it&#039;s still necessary, for the benefit of both performer and listener I think, for old-school technology. D$igital distortion and delay effects for example are considered harsh or cold while analogue units are described as more expressive and musical. A combination of the two yields fascinating and surprising results though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conspiratal thing has been getting quite noticeable for me in the last couple of episodes, but who knows where Yoshiura and his team will take it. My guess is through another series of episodes after the next one (which was initially supposed to be the last one, but they&#8217;ve raised so many interesting issues I think they&#8217;re happy to continue).</p>
<p>The matter of digital and analogue music is an interesting one: there are things that digital technology outstrips what musicians and instruments were previously able to do but it&#8217;s still necessary, for the benefit of both performer and listener I think, for old-school technology. D$igital distortion and delay effects for example are considered harsh or cold while analogue units are described as more expressive and musical. A combination of the two yields fascinating and surprising results though!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly recommend you watch this then - aside from the fact that it&#039;s a great piece from an animation and storytelling point of view, it addresses the human/robot aspect as well as the classic sci-fi movies do: it&#039;s up there with Blade Runner and I, Robot, albeit on a more day-to-day level (but is no less effective for that). I left out the issue of &#039;soul&#039; purely because my word count was spiralling out of control!

Sorry if I misunderstood your sharing of you own performance, but even if it&#039;s not perfect it&#039;s still a personal interpretation unique to the individual performer, which is the distinction I see between humans and, say, an android or Vocaloid software (the latter is, at present, merely another instrument for musicians to use to express themselves). I still enjoyed listening to your recording!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly recommend you watch this then &#8211; aside from the fact that it&#8217;s a great piece from an animation and storytelling point of view, it addresses the human/robot aspect as well as the classic sci-fi movies do: it&#8217;s up there with Blade Runner and I, Robot, albeit on a more day-to-day level (but is no less effective for that). I left out the issue of &#8216;soul&#8217; purely because my word count was spiralling out of control!</p>
<p>Sorry if I misunderstood your sharing of you own performance, but even if it&#8217;s not perfect it&#8217;s still a personal interpretation unique to the individual performer, which is the distinction I see between humans and, say, an android or Vocaloid software (the latter is, at present, merely another instrument for musicians to use to express themselves). I still enjoyed listening to your recording!</p>
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		<title>By: Hanners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great post, and I think you&#039;ve covered some angles that I hadn&#039;t even considered about this episode/series previously.  The conspiratorial experiment idea is an intriguing one, and it got me wondering as to whether it&#039;s actually the Time of Eve cafe that is the experiment?  Could it be that some of these androids are in fact programmed to seek it out, or is it there to test the social consequences of no longer discriminating between android and human?

The whole question of music caught my eye (ear?) more than Chie and Shimei&#039;s relationship as well, it&#039;s one of those timelessly fascinating questions.  It&#039;s kind of off-topic, but I never cease to be fascinated by musicians who work largely in a digital domain, yet deliberately &quot;break&quot; their compositions with distortion, running it through analogue equipment and what have you to bring it back to something more &quot;human&quot;.  Back on topic, I suppose if you&#039;re tackling the question of whether an android could ever &quot;feel&quot; emotion, then once they reach that point they should also be equally capable of expressing those emotions via music.

The umbrella scene was a great multi-layered one - On a basic level, sharing an umbrella in Japan is considered a public display of affection of sorts, yet of course in Rikou and Sammy&#039;s case the association of that shared umbrella (and being seen to share it by others) goes way deeper and transcends simple like/dislike into other directions entirely.

There seem to be so many things that the final episode of this show needs to tie up, I can&#039;t imagine how they&#039;ll manage it.   I&#039;m expecting some big surprises/twists though considering the way Yoshiura&#039;s other efforts have finished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great post, and I think you&#8217;ve covered some angles that I hadn&#8217;t even considered about this episode/series previously.  The conspiratorial experiment idea is an intriguing one, and it got me wondering as to whether it&#8217;s actually the Time of Eve cafe that is the experiment?  Could it be that some of these androids are in fact programmed to seek it out, or is it there to test the social consequences of no longer discriminating between android and human?</p>
<p>The whole question of music caught my eye (ear?) more than Chie and Shimei&#8217;s relationship as well, it&#8217;s one of those timelessly fascinating questions.  It&#8217;s kind of off-topic, but I never cease to be fascinated by musicians who work largely in a digital domain, yet deliberately &#8220;break&#8221; their compositions with distortion, running it through analogue equipment and what have you to bring it back to something more &#8220;human&#8221;.  Back on topic, I suppose if you&#8217;re tackling the question of whether an android could ever &#8220;feel&#8221; emotion, then once they reach that point they should also be equally capable of expressing those emotions via music.</p>
<p>The umbrella scene was a great multi-layered one &#8211; On a basic level, sharing an umbrella in Japan is considered a public display of affection of sorts, yet of course in Rikou and Sammy&#8217;s case the association of that shared umbrella (and being seen to share it by others) goes way deeper and transcends simple like/dislike into other directions entirely.</p>
<p>There seem to be so many things that the final episode of this show needs to tie up, I can&#8217;t imagine how they&#8217;ll manage it.   I&#8217;m expecting some big surprises/twists though considering the way Yoshiura&#8217;s other efforts have finished.</p>
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		<title>By: gaguri</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaguri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha...I was more lamenting the sad tragedy of my poor tiny fingers physical inability to materialise what I really wanted (oh cry me a river..).

Anyway, I read bits here and there about Eve no Jikan but this is the first time I&#039;ve become really interested in checking it out because of that piano subplot you&#039;ve mentioned. Using piano to explore deeper themes is one of my favourite things in a story (many favourite movies of mine are piano-related in fact), and this also seems to delve more into human/robot. I remember the movie I-Robot, where Will Smith asks the robot, &#039;can a robot paint on canvas? can a robot turn a piece of paper into a symphony?&#039;. My memories are bit fuzzy but later the robot claims that he can not create art, but he can dream, and he can copy that dream, and then starts &#039;printing&#039; a brilliant landscape. 

I haven&#039;t watched Eve no Jikan, but I see you&#039;ve tried to avoid the word &#039;soul&#039;. I think to have your own interpretation of music, soul is what you need. Maybe one could reproduce a maestro&#039;s performance by ordering a robot to play this piece in such a way, but that is not interpreting a piece, that is just copying. It&#039;s not just an intellectual process it&#039;s an emotional and spiritual one (assuming your skill is good enough to not worry about your physical abilities...), and whether a robot can interprete a music I think, will depend on its capacity to feel emotions. I wonder if in Eve no Jikan, the barrier between man and machine will be blurred through such a symbolism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230;I was more lamenting the sad tragedy of my poor tiny fingers physical inability to materialise what I really wanted (oh cry me a river..).</p>
<p>Anyway, I read bits here and there about Eve no Jikan but this is the first time I&#8217;ve become really interested in checking it out because of that piano subplot you&#8217;ve mentioned. Using piano to explore deeper themes is one of my favourite things in a story (many favourite movies of mine are piano-related in fact), and this also seems to delve more into human/robot. I remember the movie I-Robot, where Will Smith asks the robot, &#8216;can a robot paint on canvas? can a robot turn a piece of paper into a symphony?&#8217;. My memories are bit fuzzy but later the robot claims that he can not create art, but he can dream, and he can copy that dream, and then starts &#8216;printing&#8217; a brilliant landscape. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t watched Eve no Jikan, but I see you&#8217;ve tried to avoid the word &#8216;soul&#8217;. I think to have your own interpretation of music, soul is what you need. Maybe one could reproduce a maestro&#8217;s performance by ordering a robot to play this piece in such a way, but that is not interpreting a piece, that is just copying. It&#8217;s not just an intellectual process it&#8217;s an emotional and spiritual one (assuming your skill is good enough to not worry about your physical abilities&#8230;), and whether a robot can interprete a music I think, will depend on its capacity to feel emotions. I wonder if in Eve no Jikan, the barrier between man and machine will be blurred through such a symbolism?</p>
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