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	<title>Comments on: Eureka Seven: Pocketful of Rainbows</title>
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		<title>By: galaxyAbstractor</title>
		<link>http://mononoaware.concretebadger.net/2009/11/17/eureka-seven-pocketful-of-rainbows/comment-page-1/#comment-3021</link>
		<dc:creator>galaxyAbstractor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 19:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree, I loved the series, but the movie made me all confused. There are some bits and pieces of the movie that are great, but the series are a whole lot of better! Also, the &quot;Mukyuu&quot; from nirvash sounds very similar to something more profane in the movie, I think you can guess what I mean...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree, I loved the series, but the movie made me all confused. There are some bits and pieces of the movie that are great, but the series are a whole lot of better! Also, the &#8220;Mukyuu&#8221; from nirvash sounds very similar to something more profane in the movie, I think you can guess what I mean&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kadian1364</title>
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		<dc:creator>kadian1364</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been eyeing this post since since you first put it up, but avoided reading it until I finished both Eureka Seven and the movie. Now that I&#039;m at liberty to think about what you said, I have a lot of the same problems with the movie that you did. The movie goes out of its way to point out to fans of the original that, &quot;Hey, this is new and different and totally not what you think it is!&quot; Which I&#039;m not against if they could do it convincingly, but then they use the same set-ups and relationships and whole scenes of animation from the TV series, that the mental detective work we have to do to set straight what is and what isn&#039;t transplanted from the old timeline to this new one would frustrate any returning fan.

I think we&#039;ve more or less come to the same conclusion that they tried to do way too much with just one movie outing. Long stretches of expositing and shoehorning in side-characters that didn&#039;t serve a purpose (other than to show just how different everyone is than they were in the series) should have been cut. They really should have kept it a much simpler story of Eureka, Renton, and the Gekko State. The finale was gorgeous and the Eureka/Renton plotline was emotionally satisfying, but that just may be me trying to latch onto something positive at the end.

Heed these words of wisdom from someone who was introduced to the Utena franchise by the movie first and then saw the series later: watch the TV series first. The movie is the super-concentrated essence of Utena, but a frightening and stupefying experience for those uninitiated to the Utena-verse. Not that the series won&#039;t have its own fair share of bewildering moments, but the movie is so rapid-paced, even more stylistically exaggerated, and throws the characters and themes at you so hard and fast, I was left with my head spinning. In retrospect, it works better as a complementary piece; unlike the Eureka Seven movie, knowledge of the TV series works with and enhances the aims of the Utena film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been eyeing this post since since you first put it up, but avoided reading it until I finished both Eureka Seven and the movie. Now that I&#8217;m at liberty to think about what you said, I have a lot of the same problems with the movie that you did. The movie goes out of its way to point out to fans of the original that, &#8220;Hey, this is new and different and totally not what you think it is!&#8221; Which I&#8217;m not against if they could do it convincingly, but then they use the same set-ups and relationships and whole scenes of animation from the TV series, that the mental detective work we have to do to set straight what is and what isn&#8217;t transplanted from the old timeline to this new one would frustrate any returning fan.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ve more or less come to the same conclusion that they tried to do way too much with just one movie outing. Long stretches of expositing and shoehorning in side-characters that didn&#8217;t serve a purpose (other than to show just how different everyone is than they were in the series) should have been cut. They really should have kept it a much simpler story of Eureka, Renton, and the Gekko State. The finale was gorgeous and the Eureka/Renton plotline was emotionally satisfying, but that just may be me trying to latch onto something positive at the end.</p>
<p>Heed these words of wisdom from someone who was introduced to the Utena franchise by the movie first and then saw the series later: watch the TV series first. The movie is the super-concentrated essence of Utena, but a frightening and stupefying experience for those uninitiated to the Utena-verse. Not that the series won&#8217;t have its own fair share of bewildering moments, but the movie is so rapid-paced, even more stylistically exaggerated, and throws the characters and themes at you so hard and fast, I was left with my head spinning. In retrospect, it works better as a complementary piece; unlike the Eureka Seven movie, knowledge of the TV series works with and enhances the aims of the Utena film.</p>
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		<title>By: gaguri</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaguri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most ideal approach to Utena anime franchise would be, I think, TV series first then the movie. But you know, TV series is 39 episodes long...although it is one of the timeless classics. It&#039;s possible to just watch the amazing movie version (since watching the TV series is not necessary), and I know Shadowmage (who sometimes comment on my blog) chose to simply watch the movie without having seen the series. I suppose it depends on whether you want to fully fall into the Utena franchise or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most ideal approach to Utena anime franchise would be, I think, TV series first then the movie. But you know, TV series is 39 episodes long&#8230;although it is one of the timeless classics. It&#8217;s possible to just watch the amazing movie version (since watching the TV series is not necessary), and I know Shadowmage (who sometimes comment on my blog) chose to simply watch the movie without having seen the series. I suppose it depends on whether you want to fully fall into the Utena franchise or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter S: the problem of the running time is something the film has to address straight away, so it&#039;s not surprising that the nature of the Image is simpler and more straightforward than that of the Coralians. I expected the new mythos to suffer from this, but as it turns out it was the least of my worries in the end.

@gaguri: the fact that I enjoyedthe series so much was a large part of the proble, I think. I basically had to make a conscious effort to forget what I saw in the series in order to appreciate the film on its own terms, which was prety difficult. I&#039;m not familiar with either version of Utena though I&#039;m afraid - which would you recommend?

@Bateszi: I&#039;d say approach this film with caution! The visuals are worth your time but you really do need to be prepared to be disappointed with what they did to the story (and the characters). The end tune is excellent though - up there with not just Storywriter but many of Supercar&#039;s finest moments. I&#039;ll have to hunt down iLL&#039;s albums now you&#039;ve mentioned them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter S: the problem of the running time is something the film has to address straight away, so it&#8217;s not surprising that the nature of the Image is simpler and more straightforward than that of the Coralians. I expected the new mythos to suffer from this, but as it turns out it was the least of my worries in the end.</p>
<p>@gaguri: the fact that I enjoyedthe series so much was a large part of the proble, I think. I basically had to make a conscious effort to forget what I saw in the series in order to appreciate the film on its own terms, which was prety difficult. I&#8217;m not familiar with either version of Utena though I&#8217;m afraid &#8211; which would you recommend?</p>
<p>@Bateszi: I&#8217;d say approach this film with caution! The visuals are worth your time but you really do need to be prepared to be disappointed with what they did to the story (and the characters). The end tune is excellent though &#8211; up there with not just Storywriter but many of Supercar&#8217;s finest moments. I&#8217;ll have to hunt down iLL&#8217;s albums now you&#8217;ve mentioned them!</p>
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		<title>By: bateszi</title>
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		<dc:creator>bateszi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was so excited about this at first, but to read about &quot;a chibi-fied Nirvash&quot; and the rest dampens my mood, even still, it&#039;s nice that Koji Nakamura&#039;s iLL makes a strong impression! I&#039;ve managed to get my hands on their/his first two albums and it&#039;s honestly like Supercar never went away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so excited about this at first, but to read about &#8220;a chibi-fied Nirvash&#8221; and the rest dampens my mood, even still, it&#8217;s nice that Koji Nakamura&#8217;s iLL makes a strong impression! I&#8217;ve managed to get my hands on their/his first two albums and it&#8217;s honestly like Supercar never went away.</p>
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		<title>By: gaguri</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaguri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like the changes they made were more machinic than organic, changing roles and relationships in a way that feels jarring and forced. I think a good example of re-inventing a story is Utena the movie. It changes how characters look and how they behave too (particularly Utena and Anthy), and the Ohtoro Academy has been totally re-worked into a bizarre beast of arcs, steels and moving platforms. But it does so in a way that works in its own universe without being chained to the original Utena universe. If watching E7 series hinders one&#039;s appreciation of Pocketful of Rainbows then maybe that is its limitation as an inferior off-spring, not the fault of viewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the changes they made were more machinic than organic, changing roles and relationships in a way that feels jarring and forced. I think a good example of re-inventing a story is Utena the movie. It changes how characters look and how they behave too (particularly Utena and Anthy), and the Ohtoro Academy has been totally re-worked into a bizarre beast of arcs, steels and moving platforms. But it does so in a way that works in its own universe without being chained to the original Utena universe. If watching E7 series hinders one&#8217;s appreciation of Pocketful of Rainbows then maybe that is its limitation as an inferior off-spring, not the fault of viewer.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is a film, not a series?  Well, there&#039;s the big problem.  The series was LONG.  It could take its time building up that character and that story, so when things got interesting they had a huge backlog of characters and backstory at their command.  It didn&#039;t always work, but the creators knew enough to rely on some winning tropes to get you on board when they wanted it (For me, the beats they played before and during a battle scene always got my blood going).  There&#039;s no way they could create a new mythos that large in so short a time, even if they did tuck it into the original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is a film, not a series?  Well, there&#8217;s the big problem.  The series was LONG.  It could take its time building up that character and that story, so when things got interesting they had a huge backlog of characters and backstory at their command.  It didn&#8217;t always work, but the creators knew enough to rely on some winning tropes to get you on board when they wanted it (For me, the beats they played before and during a battle scene always got my blood going).  There&#8217;s no way they could create a new mythos that large in so short a time, even if they did tuck it into the original.</p>
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